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Friday, 2 March 2018

Just the page, off-stage




A profile in two voices of India’s most thought-provoking playwright in English, MAHESH DATTANI. Originally published in 2001.



It’s a June day. A breezy gust ruffles the spray of magenta bougainvillea overhanging the intimate outdoor  theatre at J P Nagar, Bangalore. A green bamboo gate creaks onto the dramatic space. Muffled footfalls lead up the curve of steps to a terracotta-bricked interior.

A study door opens. A flourescent blue-green Macintosh squats atop a study table. An assortment of books line a wall. Videos of Hindi film classics of the Fifties and Sixties are stacked tall in a niche. Notes from Ella Fitzgerald’s honey-brown voice waft through the air. A full-length mirror lines the length of the door. A futon with a blockprinted spread hugs the wall adjacent to the window. The early evening sun rides a shaft in.

A youthful man enters, a quiet presence. Clad in a subdued orange khadi kurta, Kolhapuri chappals on his feet. His gaze is unambiguous, his voice muted. The crescendo and diminuendo of his laughter ripples through the space he has claimed for his own. His hands form mudras in the air, the gold bangle on his wrist flashes as he speaks, darting from past to present, from reality to flights to fancy within the dimming of a spotlight.

He’s India’s most lauded contemporary playwright in English, honoured by the Sahitya Akademi in 1998.
Labelled by theatre scholars as the definitive voice of the Nineties and the millenium.

Back home from Lilette Dubey’s Prime Time production of his incest-based play, “30 Days in September,” which premiered to a standing ovation in Mumbai in May. It was commissioned by the Delhi-based RAHI (Recovering and Healing from Incest), funded by the Ford Foundation.

Off-stage, just pages from the life of 43-year-old Mahesh Dattani:

I was 12 when my parents took me to watch a Gujarati play. Before the play began, the atmosphere at Bangalore’s Ravindra Kalakshetra was raucous. Everyone was yelling at each other: ‘Kantibai, kem cho’ and all that. Then, the bells rang, the lights dimmed, there was an announcement, then loud music. The curtain went up, and there was pin-drop silence. This surreal world unfolded, with make-up and costumes. There were peccadilloes going on, who’s sleeping with whom and so on. (Pausing for effect) At the end of Act One, a gun went off. And somebody fell ~ in the audience!

My god! It was a play within a play! It was like magic, suddenly breaking the boundaries of illusion and reality. I think that influenced my theatrical technique very strongly. Because I always break those spaces, going backwards and forwards between past and present, real time and dream time. That experience was a major high for me.

I never really thought that I could be a part of theatre. (Reflectively) Being part of a middle-class Gujarati family, it was just assumed that I’d join Papa’s business after graduating in history, economics and political science from St. Joseph’s College. Papa sold machinery for packaging and printing. He was a pioneer in his field. Later, I did a course in marketing and advertising because I wanted to be a copywriter. It was fashionable at that time. I tried it for six months, hated it, then joined Papa’s business.

By then, I was with the Bangalore Little Theatre (BLT), helping out with production. My first role was in Utpal Dutt’s Surya Shikar, done in English, directed by Simha. I was in the chorus, one of two scrawny guys. (Guffawing) Every time we came on stage, the audience would burst out laughing. We were just not coordinated!

It was the late Seventies. At that time, an old school buddy, Bimal Desai, came up with an idea: “Let’s do a play together. You direct and I’ll act.” After sifting through a pile of Neil Simon scripts, we chose Woody Allen’s God. It’s so tweaky, so funny. We recruited all our college buddies to fill the cast of twenty. We were all so inexperienced!  I must have been about 21. Yet, we managed to get six house-full shows because of the student community.

You know, I’ve directed more plays than I’ve written. This may sound trite but it’s true ~ as a director, I enjoy the power. As a playwright, I’ve absolutely no power. Of the plays I’ve directed, I’m most proud of the staging of my play, Bravely fought the Queen, in Delhi. It won the Sahitya Kala Parishad award for best production in 1998.

(Passionately) Quite frankly, I write because I’m a theatre person, not because I’m a writer. It’s quite by chance that I became a playwright. At one point, when I was directing European plays like In Camera, Sartre, Euripides and all that, I decided I wanted to do an Indian play. I read some translations. I loved Vijay Tendulkar’s Silence, the court is in session, and Girish Karnad’s Tughlaq. I was impressed by Badal Sircar’s Baki Itihaas. But the English translations weren’t anywhere near the originals. Maybe the plays don’t lend themselves to translation.

So I thought: why not try my hand at writing? That was in 1984. Where there’s a Will was the result.

Whether as text or as tone, his words tear at the edge of consciousness, blurring social constructs. He draws naked truths out of long-shuttered closets, ferreting out themes beyond bedroom farces and historical romances. His dialogue reeks of middle-class, urban Indian life today, strewn with Hindi and Gujarati, charged with unspoken socio-cultural subtexts. On the boards, invisible issues strut the stage, bringing the audience face-to-face with its own moral subversions. His theatrical voice is gender-sensitive, seeking out the lighter moments amidst unvoiced angst. He often fines-tunes his plays in rehearsal with his Bangalore-based theatre group, Playpen.

He describes ‘Where There’s a Will’ as an exorcism of the patriarchal code through intimate sequences in the life of the money-centric Mehta family.  ‘Dance like a Man’ (1989) explores the homegrown reality of the male classical dancer through the lens of social acceptance, stemming from the playwright’s own six-year-long Bharatanatyam stint under noted gurus Chandrabhaga Devi and U S Krishna Rao.  As staged by Mumbai’s Prime Time, it did a record hundred shows in India, London, Dubai and Colombo. ‘Tara’ (1990) addresses the trauma that results from the separation of conjoined different-sex Siamese twins, engineered to favour the male child. Some view it as a lens on the gendered self, others as an alternate perspective on the feminine self in a male-centric world.



1991 saw the first staging of ‘Bravely Fought the Queen,’ dominated by hot-blooded, fully-fleshed  characters struggling to breathe amidst the debris of urban double standards. The next year brought to life his first commissioned play, ‘Final Solutions’, an unequivocal exploration of communal strife at the request of Mumbai’s theatre giant Alyque Padamsee.

‘Do the Needful’, his first radio play for BBC in 1997, delves into the social psyche of arranged marriages Three others followed, including ‘Seven Steps Around the Fire,’ centred around the daily tribulations of the hijra or eunuch community, as uncovered by a scholastic sleuth.

When Prime Time put ‘On a Muggy Night in Mumbai’ on the boards in 1998, it punched the mainstage audience between the eyes. As the first Indian play to focus openly on gay themes of love and partnership.

Off the page, just scenes from the life of Mahesh Dattani:

People keep saying to me: “Why do you write about such depressing subjects?” (Shakes with laughter) After Thirty Days in September, a gentleman protested, “We can read about incest and all that. But there’s no need to put it on stage.”

I’m not looking for something sensational, which audiences have never seen before. Some subjects, which are under-explored, deserve their space. (Contemplatively) After all, incest can happen in your family or mine, wherever there’s a child and an adult. It’s no use brushing these issues under the carpet.

I have to take inspiration from real life and make it my own. Unless theatre is about the human condition, it doesn’t always work. Even if it’s a commissioned script, like the one I did for a film on HIV, Ek Alag Mausam, that’s the only way I can write. I met over 25 people who were HIV-positive. I saw a person dying in an AIDS hospice. It was so overwhelming. I just wanted to get away. (Pausing) Finally, I thought: “What if I discover I’m HIV-positive tomorrow? What will that mean to me?” It will mean I’m in touch with my mortality.

It may sound bizarre but, to me, gender never was an issue.  I’m not conscious of masculine or feminine expression. I am who I am. At times it may be categorized as feminine, at times as masculine. It doesn’t bother me. But peculiarly, it’s a big deal to others. It took me a while to realize that my perception was different from that of others. It again became grist to the mill, a question of challenging people’s perceptions. That’s why I have titles like Dance like a Man, or Bravely fought the Queen! The latter is  based on that Hindi poem about Jhansi ki Rani. Khoob lari mardani, woh to Jhansi wali rani thi! If she’s brave, then she’s like a man! She can’t be a woman and be brave. Isn’t that ridiculous?

What’s the big deal?  OK, genitally you belong to one gender. (Casually) But beyond that, it’s all social construction.

In Dance like a Man, the father doesn’t want his son to carry on being a dancer because he sees that as a woman’s profession. He makes a deal with his daughter-in-law that she can continue dancing if she’ll get her husband away from it. She asks why. He says, “A woman in a man’s world may be considered progressive, but a man in a woman’s world is pathetic.”  There’s always laughter about that. In the next line, she says, “Perhaps we aren’t progressive enough.” There’s always silence after that one.

In a sense, there’s a complicity when the audience agrees with the politics of a character, and are suddenly put into a spin when it’s turned on them. It’s the same in On a Muggy Night in Mumbai. There’s a dialogue between a gay man and a lesbian, who’re very good friends. She tells him: “If you were a woman, we would have been in love.” He turns round and says, ‘If you were a man, we would have been in love.” When she says that, there’s laughter. When he says his line, laughter. Then, she says, “If we were heterosexual, we would have been married.” (Dramatically) Both of them go “Aaaaaaaaaaa!” No laughter there.

I see all my plays as socio-political. (Passionately) That’s how I see Final Solutions, which deals with communal tension. I don’t delve into the machinations of the higher powers, how they manipulate events, although there are strong overtones that it’s all politically engineered. When Alyque approached me to write it ~ this happened before the Babri Masjid incident in 1992 ~ I wasn’t sure I was capable of doing it. 

I’ve based it on a riot I’d read about during the tazia festival in Ahmedabad where, traditionally, the rath or temple chariot is taken out by Muslims and Hindus. That particular year, there was some communal tension, especially when the rath went into a Muslim area. In Final Solutions, the rath became a symbol for projecting ideas and images of self through gigantic idols.

I like to focus on people who aspire to freedom, but are somehow bound by society.  (Pushing his hair back) That’s where my dramatic tensions arise. I realize how empowered I am as an urban, upper middle-class Indian. We can live our lives the way we want to, whether you’re single, unattached, without kids, or single with kids. No matter how disapproving society is, it allows you a life

(Thoughtfully) What if I wasn’t so empowered? What would my issues, battles, struggles be, then? All my characters are women who are out there in some way. Either sexually expressive as in Bravely Fought the Queen. Or in some ways handicapped like Tara and Chandan in Tara. That’s what makes them come alive, the fact that they have battles to fight.

I don’t write about any subject until I see where the dramatic conflict lies.  I usually choose the urban family unit because, in our times, that’s where I feel the conflict is. Perhaps it was the same in Tennessee Williams’ or Eugene O’Neill’s time. But if you look at modern American playwrights, they hardly ever write about the family because that’s not where the conflict lies.

Though I deal with grave subjects, my optimism seems to somehow come through. Despite the sense of loss, despite the characters’ turmoil, there’s always a funny side to it. Maybe it’s just the way I am. I haven’t figured that one out. 

When I sent Lilette the script of Thirty Days, I said, “Look, it’s very grim. There’s not even one scene where there’s an iota of humour.” She had a couple of readings, then told me, “You’re such a goose, Mahesh. That scene is so funny!” I don’t know how, it just comes through

(Bringing his fingertips together) Playwriting, of course, is really for posterity. In theatre, the only thing that stays is the written text. Everything else is so transient. That’s the magic of theatre. You create an illusion and it’s gone. It’ll never be the same again.




On stage, he assumes a diametrically altered  avatar. Gone is the tentative persona that drapes the everyday being. Gone is the sensitive individual who laughs at life’s uneven trajectory and at the puckish imp within himself.

He takes Bangalore by storm in the recent BLT production of “Henry IV,” the 1934 Nobel laureate Pirandello’s classic satire on the madness intrinsic to all mankind. In the title role, he alternates between sackcloth and satin, ranting and reasoning, unleashing spine-chilling mood swings that mirror our inner turbulence. At moments, he flashes with the fury of the misunderstood, at others he analyzes the human condition with formidable lucidity. Irrevocably, he unlocks layers of the character with undeniable histrionic finesse.

He’s inspired by the total theatre experience, whether as an actor, a director or a playwright. To him, all the world’s his stage. Whether it’s a Playpen production in Bangalore, Border Crossings in London, or Prime Time in New York. It’s the ebb-and-flow of audience-actor interchanges that are the elixir of his life.

His theatrical acumen has drawn applause from around the globe. In a half-page review, New York Times writer Stephen Bruckner felt, “Dattani is a canny and facile writer, and there is nothing (in his writing) that is alien to American audiences. “ At home, Alyque Padamsee thanked him for giving “sixty million English-speaking Indians an identity.”

He built Rangamane in Bangalore as a studio space for the performing arts in 1998. He’s held playwriting workshops in India, and teaches an inter-cultural course on theatre at Portland State University, Oregon, as a visiting professor since 1996. 

In the theatre of life, just thoughts between the acts of Mahesh Dattani:

Ultimately, all theatre is about the actors and the audience, you know. (Flinging out his arms) It’s the actor’s chemistry. Everything is geared towards that, whether you’re a playwright or a director or a set designer. That’s quite a power trip. I enjoy acting, directing, playwriting for different reasons.

Clarity is something I work on constantly. Some ideas may seem very obvious to me. But the actors may say: “What is this?” I’d say: “Don’t you see it?” And they’d say, “No, where is it?” That’s when I realise it’s in my head. I need to bring it out, perhaps through the action.

(Toying with a pen in his hand) I like to keep a lot in the sub-text. I hate it when actors expect me to spell out things, which means they don’t trust their acting ability. With amateurs, it’s disturbing when they try to paraphrase.

Sometimes, actors don’t trust audiences. I don’t know why. The actors are not more intelligent than the audience.  I hate those presumptions. The audience has the advantage of sitting back and taking it all in.  You’ve got to take feedback from the audience, whether it’s silence or laughter or applause.

Do I have influences? (Meditatively) Tennessee Williams was my favourite playwright for long. I realize Tara has shades of Glass Menagerie. But that was involuntary. I admire Tendulkar very much. I find his plays very progressive. He doesn’t write from a predominantly male perspective, either. His characters are so grounded, regardless of their gender. I’d love to direct Tendulkar’s Sakharam Binder, but I can see how it doesn’t work in English. I wonder if English theatre audiences in India have even heard of Vijay Tendulkar or Mahesh Elkunchwar. I’d say they’re both the creators of modern Indian drama.

 (Fiercely) I feel writing in English, as we do in India, is our strength. When Prime Time did Dance like a Man and Muggy Night in Mumbai in New York, they didn’t tone it down. Now, in Muggy Night, there’s a whole scene written in Hindi. Nor did we change words like ashtapadi or Gita Govinda, in Dance like a Man. The audiences loved it; they got the context. It was very empowering as Indians to say: “This is who we are, and this is how we speak our language.”

I hate the term ‘post-colonial’. I resent the way it is used to classify south Asian writing. Isn’t American writing, Australian writing, also post-colonial? (Throwing up his hands) It’s one way of negating our 5,000 years of culture. In a sense, we’re the ones who’ve colonised them. It’s like what they’re doing with Chicken Tikka Masala and Balti cuisine. We’ve done taken their language and made it our own!
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Surrounded by theatre buffs at the old-world Koshy’s restaurant in Bangalore, he talks and breathes theatre, recites from old plays and new, casting around for fresh talent. He listens to all-comers, making eye contact a personality trait. Over endless cups of coffee, he recalls prized productions and projects into the future.

Attending a recent documentary film festival on the burning issues of our time, he reflects on the plight of the Kuruba tribe at the Nagarahole sanctuary, then rises to defend the alternate perspective of a film-maker. Mulling over provocative themes, engaging intellectually with tourism-related paedophilia or the shadow of the beauty myth on urban India, he interacts spiritedly with potent ideas.

His dreams for the future envision a shared space for Kannada and English theatre. Perhaps a theatre  village named Natyagram, along the lines of Protima Gauri’s Nrityagram, outside Bangalore.

Between curtain calls, just passages from the average Indian life of Mahesh Dattani:

I was absolutely floored when I got the Sahitya Akademi award. It was the happiest moment of my life. It’s quite a trip for me to be mentioned in the same breath as Shashi Deshpande and A K Ramanujam, names I revere.  (Laughing long and strong) I thought they’d never give it to me because I write in English and about horrible subjects.  Besides, it’s an award for literature, not for drama.

Initially, my family was concerned about me. But it was a big moment for my late father when I received the Sahitya Akademi award. He felt very proud when Alyque did Final Solutions in Mumbai, and when Bravely fought the Queen was done in London.

I joked with him then. I said: “I’ve done Mumbai, I’ve done London. Next stop: New York.” But New York happened in July; I lost him in March.  When I was reading the half-page New York Times rave review of Dance like a Man, the first thought that struck me was: “I wish my father was here!” (Silence for a few moments) It was actually a sad moment for me because he wasn’t there to share it.

My parents adapted to my life well because I achieved a modicum of success. If I was a failure or unrecognised, I don’t know how they would have felt. They’d probably say: “Why do you want to do all this?” The important thing is that I can earn a living out of what I’m doing. I’ve received a fair amount of recognition. I guess I’ve been a good boy. That’s what parents want from their children, don’t they?

He’s dedicated the Penguin edition of his Collected Plays, published in 2000, thus: “For my parents, Gaju and Wagh: ‘Look! I’m dancing like a man!’

The stage fan whirrs. Simon and Garfunkel’s ageless lyrics play on. The curtain comes down. But the spotlight remains on Mahesh Dattani.


(This interview was originally published in Man's World in 2001).



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Thursday, 2 August 2012

Art: M Reddeppa Naidu ~ The magic of the Mahabharata

(1932- 1999)

(Note: I interviewed Reddeppa Naidu twice ~ once for Indian Express in 1985, then for The Independent in Mumbai in 1990. This piece is a composite of the two sessions.  I haven't been able to source visuals from his Mahabharata series so far, but promise to share them with this piece as soon as they come my way. )

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        THE MAHABHARATA is open to interpretation by each individual Indian. What does it mean to you? An ageless epic? Classic rock sculptures in ancient caves? A popular television serial? A much-discussed, internationally-cast theatrical presentation? A tale related episodically by your grandmother?

        If you were a Madras-based painter named Mopuri Reddeppa Naidu, now 57, the Mahabharata would spell a series of 18 large canvases, one for each parva or canto of the epic, executed between 1972 and 1974. It would also mean a burgeoning friendship with M Deendayal, akin to him in age and social background, who encouraged the series as an admirer, patron and art gallery owner.

       Deendayal first exhibited Reddeppa’s impressive and stylized work at the Ashoka Hotel in New Delhi in 1974, then at his own Aparna art gallery in Madras in 1983. More recently, he hosted a retrospective of Reddeppa’s work in Madras.

       How did the great epic come to be captured on canvas? Naidu, relaxing at his modest home in Madras, replies, “Around June 1972, Deendayal read me a poem from the Stree parva ~ the Samsara Grahanam ~ which was translated into Telugu from Sanskrit in the 3rd century AD by Nanayyabhatt. He then requested me to do a painting based on it. I did one, which both he and his wife liked very much. Deendayal then suggested that I might like to do one for each parva.”

      Reddeppa is one of the most respected contemporary painters in south India, a winner of the coveted National Award in 1962, a student of D P Roy Chowdhury and K C S Panicker at the Madras College of Arts and Crafts. He is currently Deputy Director (Design) as the Weaver’s Service Centre (WSC) at Madras (now Chennai).

      Does his work in textiles draw him away from art? “There are no two ways about it. An artist remains an artist. He never goes completely into any other work,” replies Reddeppa, thoughtfully. “But the creative mind is common to both the artist and the textile designer. One complements the other. So, my primary object in taking up this job ~ besides the fact that it helps monetarily ~ is that it doesn’t affect my creative painting. It never distracts me from my canvas.”

      Does the WSC re-connect him with Indian tradition? “If I had not joined the WSC, I would not have known the greatness of our tradition because our art schools are so western-oriented. Re-doing through the mind forms done by past people helps to contact the living mind of the past,” he responds, drawing lines in the air. “Contact with such textiles greatly benefits the creative artist. He is used to free-thinking on a canvas. The same application on paper ~ a bird or a flower or a design ~ is given the same aesthetic expression and gives the same joy. No doubt, in conceiving a complete plan for a saree, an artist cannot design as he likes. He has to think of how it will go on the loom. But after years of working towards this, he can finally bring his personality into the saree ~ in its colour, border, pallav, its totality. Ultimately, he may achieve a simplification of the process, as in a painting.”

       Here are excerpts from an interview with Reddeppa, done in the context of the Mahabharata series:

     How have your techniques and idioms evolved to bring you to this point in your art?

      In the early 1970s, most south Indian painters were going through a romantic phase, greatly influenced by the French school of thought. This was reflected in my first two Mahabharata paintings. Earlier, in the Deity series which I began in the 1960s, I used dull colours, sensitive lines of modern expression and bright patches for emphasis. In their midst, I scripted relevant Sanskrit slokas. These were authenticated by a pundit, Ganesa Sastri, hired by Deendayal.

      After the Samsara Grahanam, Deendayal suggested the Sauptika Parva as the next subject. After the final destructive battle, which nobody really won, Asvatthama watches an owl entering a crow’s nest and destroying all the young ones while the other surviving Kauravas ~ Kripa and Kritavarma ~ were asleep. Inspired by this, Asvatthama steals into the Pandava camp, encounters Shiva and obtains his sword, with which he kills all the sleeping Pandava sons. Then, he accompanies Kripa and Kritavarma to tell Duryodhana of the enemy’s annihilation.

      (Pausing to gather his thoughts) These first two paintings in the series continued in the style of my Deity series. The artist has to find a vocabulary and colours of his own for the characters, and a philosophy for each parva. The question of the entire Mahabharata doesn’t arise. I had to choose an interesting poem from each parva and decide how to depict it.

    In the third painting of the series ~ the Sabha Parva ~ I needed to depict Duryodhana, Arjuna and Bhima pictorially. At this stage, I moved away from my earlier romantic paintings and my colours became brighter. While doing the Sabha Parva, I had to search within for a way of portraying the attempted disrobing of Draupadi. I drew her praying to Krishna, and then a thought came to me. I drew Krishna’s Sri Chakra around her sari to protect her. It’s not very cinematic, but it’s very satisfying to have found such a solution. 

    You’d studied Telugu and Sanskrit when you were young in Andhra Pradesh. Have you always been familiar with the Mahabharata?

    Not really, although I had read it in bits and pieces since my schooldays, seen it on stage and in films. Which edition did I finally use for the paintings? One I borrowed from Deendayal ~ a Telugu translation of the Mahabharata by Sri Mantri Lakshminarayanan Sastri.

    The Mahabharata elevates and takes the mind to great heights. When you read all that philosophy, it is reflected in your lines, your colours. My challenge was to read the epic, yet to be free of the epic. Only then could I do a creative painting.

      Look, I didn’t merely read the Mahabharata. I lived in it. In recreating it in a different medium, I lived through it. Today, I can talk consciously about the line, the colour and composition of the paintings. But, while I was working on them, it was all  unclear in my mind. I was trying to bring the unknown to reality. (Silent for a minute) Normally, one begins a venture with some expectations. The mind always works with a purpose, but I had to set myself free. I wasn’t painting for an award, or even for a customer. I could rise to the creative challenge because my mind was free of all preoccupations.

      Was Deendayal responsible for setting your mind free?

       He gave me absolute freedom. I was totally responsible for giving of my best. For each parva, I chose the incidents or episodes to be depicted. He didn’t interfere, not even to check on the progress of each painting, though I did show him a drawing on paper before I began each canvas.

     After each of the 18 paintings was completed, he’d send a vehicle for it. Then, we’d sit together and discuss it.

     How did you first meet Deendayal, an unusual patron in our competitive world?

      In 1979, Deendayal came to see a mural I had done for the industrialist T. T. Vasu, in Madras. He appreciated it so much that he began to share with me his joy in Tanjore paintings and other art objects from his private collection.  We became friends. His faith in my talent saw me through the Mahabharata series. There was no commercial aspect to this, but total mind-to-mind communication, such as there is when you like a person very much.

    Strangely enough, both Deendayal and I were about 40 when the Mahabharata paintings began in 1972. I feel that was the right age to get to know the great epic. By then, we already have some experience of life. Like me, he holds the conviction that the series should remain intact. He will never give away the series or break it up.

From his 'Musician' series


     What were your first encounters with religion-based paintings?

      The inspiration first came from a Muslim friend, Wazir Rahman, my classmate at the Kakinada High School. He wrote Telugu poetry.  One day in 1962, he said to me, “Look, Reddeppa, Balaji at Thirumala draws millions of devotees every year. I’m surprised that he does not seem to mean a thing to you.”

     I began to paint Lord Venkateswara with the sankhu, chakram and naamam… I realised that there was immense material in Hindu iconography, waiting to be exploited by a serious and responsible artist.

(This piece is included in my 2004 book, 'Articulations: Voices from Contemporary Indian Visual Art, published by Rupa & Co.)



Monday, 14 May 2012

Books: Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni ~ 'Immigration gave me the passion to write'


(I did this as-told-to Aditi De interview for Man's World in 2003)


I’M A writer. A teacher of creative writing at the University of Houston. A social activist. And the mother of two sons, Abhay (10) and Anand (13). I also teach ‘India in the Writer’s Eye,’ a fiction course focusing on how you depict a culture differently, depending on who you are. I try to interweave these complementary roles.

My mother was a schoolteacher.  So was my grandfather’s father.  In fact, when I finished my Ph.D. at the University of California, Berkeley, I started teaching literature. I fell into writing much later.

I come from a sheltered, traditional Bengali household in Kolkata, where I never thought about my Indian identity. Immigration was really an eye-opener. It gave me the passion to write.

            I recall my mother saying, ‘The day you start at Presidency College, only saris for you.’ All my friends are wearing bell-bottoms! At 19, the minute I reached Wright State University at Dayton, Ohio, for my M.A. course, I got into blue jeans and a T-shirt.

            On my second day in Dayton, I was walking on the streets with a relative, when a group of kids called out, “Nigger!” It was such a shock. (Passionately) For many years, I never even told anyone about it. A short story in ‘Arranged Marriage’ (1990) deals with that experience. I hope my books create a sense of the complexity of immigrant culture, for all readers.
           
Gradually, I became aware of the ambiguous experience of being a woman of colour living in the US. I now wear Indian clothes for all my formal US activities. I’m saying: ‘You will accept me on these terms. I am good at what I do, no matter what I wear.’

            My community and my culture are central to my writing. I’m very much a South Asian American writer, whose Indian roots are important. I want to create a dual dimension between the mythic and contemporary reality of India.

I think all art is a search for the self. Kafka once said: “A book should be an axe to shatter the frozen sea inside us.” (Reflectively) If literature works well, we experience what our scriptures tell us: ‘We are all one.’
           
For the past 15-20 years, I’ve been influenced by Indian spirituality. In my recent novel ‘Queen of Dreams’ (launched here in March 2005), both the main woman characters are going through a subtle process of spiritual questioning. What is the meaning of life? How do I relate to the rest of humanity? How do I find strength within myself? How do I counter hate in the world? And the reality of 9/11 affects Rakhi’s dream of America.

            In 1991, I co-founded Maitri (a helpline for immigrant women victims of domestic abuse). Their courage, grace and hope move me deeply. It’s very inspiring to see what they achieve with a little help.

For a year, I wrote a column about the immigrant experience in the US for ‘India Today.’ About inter-generational gaps, parenting roles, the problems of elderly parents as visitors. In ‘The Unknown Errors of Our Lives,’ (2001) a story deals with arranged marriages. Our young people benefit from the resources that America offers, as from strong family support. With rising US divorce rates, many are returning to marriage as a considered action within the family.

            In the post-65 generation, most Indians Americans were professionals. From different communities, socio-economically they were a homogenous group, a model community. But after the 1984 Family Reunification Act, there’s a layer of small motel, gas station and 7/11 owners, factory workers and taxi drivers. This has caused a real schism within our community.

            Instead of wishing these new immigrants were invisible, why can’t we make the American dream more real for them through integration? Such as providing scholarships before these less privileged youth join gangs? I think one of my future works is going to be about this.

I’m excited that my first novel, ‘The Mistress of Spices’ (1997) is being made into a film by Gurinder Chadha. She’s a strong feminist director, totally in tune with the immigrant experience. I’ve no problems with Aishwarya Rai playing Tilo. I thought she did a good job in ‘Chokher Bali.’ 
 

(My husband) Murthy and the boys are getting cameo roles when Gurinder shoots in California on the March 19-20 weekend. (Laughing) Since I’m in India for two weeks, my cameo will be the cover of ‘India Currents,’ on which I appeared a while ago! They’ve promised to put it in.

            If you look at the history of literature, it’s mostly men telling the stories of men. It’s important for women to tell the stories of women. If only men would read more woman-centric novels, it would deepen their human experience.

Some men have been offended because I deal with women’s issues. ‘You make Indian men look bad,’ they complain.  Often, women are equal participants in perpetuating certain situations. In ‘Sister of My Heart,’ (1999), the mother-in-law is very keen on having a grandson, not a granddaughter, as the first child of the family.

My books are about the problems Indian Americans face as a race in the US. Men who have experienced prejudice appreciate that. And those who’ve been activists react positively. Right on, they say.


Books: Vikas Swarup: Q&A


(I interviewed Vikas Swarup, the author of 'Q&A', in 2005 ~ years before 'Slumdog Millionaire', based on his novel, became a runaway screen hit)


It’s quiz time, folks!


IS THE Indian Foreign Service (IFS) a fertile field for best-selling authors? Can the range of exotic experiences that come a diplomat’s way pave the way for fiction? 

Vikas Swarup’s 2005 debut novel, ‘Q and A,’ just launched by Doubleday in India, tosses up these questions. For Swarup, 42, is currently Delhi-based, as the director of Indian External Affairs Minister K. Natwar Singh’s office.

His novel, dashed off in a mere two months at the end of his previous London posting in 2003, has already sold translation rights in over 15 languages, including French, German, Italian, Finnish, Russian, Norwegian, Turkish, Serbian, and Brazilian Portuguese. Film Four in the UK has cornered film rights, though Swarup retains complete creative control over the screenplay adaptation by Simon Hooper, who scripted ‘The Full Monty.

But what’s the story behind the novel? Vital cues surface from an innovative book launch at Landmark in both Bangalore and Chennai (Jan. 21 and 22), triggered by a rapid-fire, quiz-based evening with Navin Jayakumar, the original host for the lifestyle store’s annual quiz.  

Why a quiz format? Because ‘Q and A’ is a take-off on India’s most popular quiz show, but with a twist worked in. For its unlikely winner is Ram Mohammad Thomas, an 18-year-old, impoverished Dharavi-based waiter. How did the hero ~ an orphan who has never been to school or read newspapers ~ know the vital answers that gave him access to a billion rupees? As he narrates his life story in 13 controlled, quick-paced episodes that link into each quiz query, the reader realizes that the implausible can turn plausible in life’s great game of chance. Ram’s is a seesaw tale underlined by hope, of a survivor in the underbelly of society, whose experiences provide the clues to Shakespeare and the solar system, the 1971 Indo-Pakistan conflict and Indian films.

“My wife and two young sons had just relocated from London to Delhi in June 2003. I wondered if I had it in me to write a book,” narrates Swarup, during an interview in Bangalore. “I didn’t take a day’s leave from work. I’d read or research the Chhamb sector conflict or the Taj Mahal on the Internet during weekday evenings, then write furiously each weekend, even doing 20,000 words once.”

This unfolded against the backdrop of a writing resurgence featuring his contemporaries. Swarup’s colleague Thirumurthi had just written the Chennai-based ‘Clive Avenue,’ while Navdeep Suri was translating his grandfather’s lauded novel, ‘Pavitra Paapi.’

“I wanted to see if I had a book in me, while I had time on my hands,” recalls Swarup. “None of my colleagues knew I was writing a novel. I did four and a half chapters, then began looking around for an agent. After all, Britain is really the literary and cultural hub of Europe. The first ten agents never got back to me. The eleventh, Oxford-based Peter Buckman, called me after he’d read two chapters, and wanted to read more. If he hadn’t responded, perhaps I’d never have completed ‘Q and A.’”

Nobody else read the completed novel until Buckman received it on Sept. 11, 2003. Swarup left for Delhi the next day. His wife read it on his return.

Confessing to admiration for writers like Raj Kamal Jha and Jhumpa Lahiri, he outlines, “My idea was to write a simple, readable societal novel, because I’m a big fan of the thriller genre. But no Indian has written a good thriller. So, I decided not to try one. It was tough to sustain the first person voice, though.” 

What of the theme? “I wanted to tap into the quiz show phenomenon. If a pauper wins a billion, the tension becomes palpable,” the Allahabad-born author, an avid quizzer himself, elaborates. “How could Ram know these answers?”

How impeccable is the fictional verisimilitude? “I’ve never lived in Dharavi, or even Mumbai. I accept any flaws that may have resulted because I wrote in complete secrecy, with nobody to guide me,” Swarup confesses. “But somebody in the army wondered if I’d had access to classified information because of the Chhamb story. I take that as a compliment.”

Did it help to be a career diplomat with 18 years of experience, previously posted at Washington D.C., Turkey and Ethiopia? “Once you know you’re going to write fiction, you look at the world differently. If I’d had the urge to write earlier, I might have done ten novels by now. After all, the pace in Addis Ababa was pretty glacial,” laughs Swarup.

Has ghostwriting his minister’s speeches, handling his correspondence, fine-tuned Swarup’s writing? “In the foreign service, we learn to use our words very carefully,” he adds. “One wrong nuance can lead to a rupture of relations. Brevity is as important. We’re taught to be good draftsmen. But for fiction, you need to have not just the plot, but the prose, too. Eventually, I see my book as one about storytelling.”

On the party circuit, is he seen as a good raconteur? “No, no, no,” he demurs. “I’m seen as a serious-minded guy, but also fun-loving… My colleagues are surprised that I have written this book.”    

What of the attendant literary hoopla? “All this has happened even before the English publication,” Swarup points out. ‘Even if the book proves to be a dud, I’d still be published in 15 languages. That means the publishers in Poland and Russia have liked the concept itself. That’s flattering.”

The movie tie-in came in through Random House/ Doubleday. “I initially wanted it to be a Bollywood film. So, Film Four put in a clause that if there’s a request for a Hindi remake, they will consider it,” Swarup clarifies. “To me, Mira Nair seems a natural choice as director because of ‘Salaam Bombay.’ The core of optimism in that film struck me. I believe the book has been sent to her.”

What about a second novel? “I’m under no pressure. First, I’ll allow this to sink in. All the hoopla comes as a total surprise,” he confesses. “I look at it as a very Indian book for an Indian audience. The idea is not to get overawed by the book’s success.”

Would a career shift be on the cards? “Thankfully, I still look at myself as a diplomat,” Swarup stresses, “while, to other writers, writing is almost like breathing.”

That’s the last diplomatic take on “Q and A.”


   (The Hindu Business Line, 2005)